My neighbour has a Mira electric shower that was in there when they moved
10years ago in and it is cattled, with a major leak. He has decided that as
he needs to replace the shower unit he may aswell redo the whole cubicle,
tiles etc. which he has asked me to do for him. I have no problem doing
this but would like some advice. The cable looks like 6mm to me, what's the
biggest KW shower he can have on this cable, if it has any bearing the
shower is on the first floor and the CU is in the cellar (he doesn't really
want to rip carpets and floorboards up to swap it! I cannot see anything on
the existing shower to indicate its KW. Also with the new Part P regs, can
I (legally) do this for him or do we need to get a 'proper' sparky in?
There is nothing in Part P that stipulates that a 'proper sparky' *must* do
anything. However................AIUI, any electrical work in bathrooms,
kitchens, or outside the house (eg wiring a garden shed) must 'either' be
done by a qualified person *or* be reported to the local authority prior to
DIY work and then examined and approved by a qualifed person after the work
has been carried out.
Pretty much. Except it's a Registered person (or person working for a firm
where there is one registered person...) - you could be qualified to design
the entire UK distribution system, but it wouldn't count for one jot as far
as domestic electrical work is concerned now!
The other thing is that someone posted a link to the IEE newsletter a while
ago that suggested that like-for-like shower unit replacement would not
considered to be notifiable. The Electrickery gurus around here might know
if there has been any further clarification on this, though.
I think you're right on that like for like swapping Mr S, and this is only
because the installation never had a problem with a load of the size you
already have. That's as long as the original installation has already been
inspected by a qualified person first of course.
To answer the earlier question as to how many people have died in domestic
electrical horrors during the last year.....I heard on the radio that the
number over the last year was 5.
Yes just 5.
Now how much money did this new electrics scheme cost..............the
setting up.....the advertising......the training...
the recruitment.....( jobs for the boys). How much time will qualified
electricians have to spend to get qualified again...and what will it cost in
courses. How many jobs were created for the trainers the manual writers etc.
A whole new industry has been spawned by the granny state at a massive
cost...............paid by who.............YES thats right
US the taxpayers.More managers...managing issues that dont really exist.
And to save 5 lives ?
The cowboys will carry on as usual...........
The gullible will beleive the propaganda and pay the higher prices for their
"qualified electrician"...just like "gatso speed cameras reduce road
accidents"..................so lets have some more.
First the plumbers
Now the electricians
Who next..................?????.............Bricklayers? Mechanics? Mini cab
drivers? Hospital cleaners??
they can all kill you if they dont do their job right
....................yes lets set up some more quangos.............more jobs
for the boys..more knighthoods..................aggggggggggggggggh!!!!
just dont let the facts cloud your judgement!!!
A million times that cost or any cost is worth less than one life.
| To answer the earlier question as to how many people have died in domestic
| electrical horrors during the last year.....I heard on the radio that the
| number over the last year was 5.
| Yes just 5.
| Now how much money did this new electrics scheme cost..............the
| setting up.....the advertising......the training...
| the recruitment.....( jobs for the boys). How much time will qualified
| electricians have to spend to get qualified again...and what will it cost
| courses. How many jobs were created for the trainers the manual writers
| A whole new industry has been spawned by the granny state at a massive
| cost...............paid by who.............YES thats right
| US the taxpayers.More managers...managing issues that dont really exist.
| And to save 5 lives ?
| The cowboys will carry on as usual...........
| The gullible will beleive the propaganda and pay the higher prices for
| "qualified electrician"...just like "gatso speed cameras reduce road
| accidents"..................so lets have some more.
| Its madness............
| First the plumbers
| Now the electricians
| Who next..................?????.............Bricklayers? Mechanics? Mini
| drivers? Hospital cleaners??
| they can all kill you if they dont do their job right
| ....................yes lets set up some more quangos.............more
| for the boys..more knighthoods..................aggggggggggggggggh!!!!
| just dont let the facts cloud your judgement!!!
It requires fitting and wiring by a competent person. Sorry to say it but
the fact that you have to ask demonstrates that you are not qualified to.
Remember: what are you going to do if your work causes someone to die? You
don't get a second chance with electric showers.
Following on from the consultation statistics (which the fat buffoons dept
chose to ignore and introduce Part P anyway) - exactly how many people in
the uk have ever died from electrocution by an electric shower?
Its not my neighbour. You should learn to follow attribution of threads<g>
I am not aware of ANY electrocutions from showers but you may know of
different statistics? Apparently the figure of five lethal incidents per
year from all electrical work is currently being accepted but no-one seems
to be able to breakdown this figure into shocks from appliances/defective
flexes/fixed equipment. The chances are very much that portable appliances
and flexes are the real culprits
Having a paper qualification from an accredited body may or may not have any
bearing whatsoever on the job being done properly or the safety of the
fitting of a replacement for the existing unit. I suggest you are the one
who should stop being an idiot and wake up to reality. Being a
professionally qualified Electrical Engineer, even one who teaches the
"electricians" of tomorrow is not accepted by the fat buffoons department as
being competent to carry out domestic work but somehow is acceptable for
commercial and industrial work, power transmission and distribution,
generation etc. Sense? there isn't any!
Nah. The figure of 5 is deaths/year from *fixed* wiring; the equipment
(portable and non-portable) ones account for another 14 deaths/year.
Accidents scale similarly: 576 non-fatal from fixed wiring, 1700
non-fatal from equipment. These numbers are over at
Prescott's own department admitted it loused up by using the
all-electrical figures - themselves remarkably low - rather than the
ones relating only to fixed wiring. That admission is buried over at
that's all one line - if your browser wraps it, rebuild it). It uses
figues of 2.6 deaths and 447 accidents - I don't know where the
discrepancy of 5 vs 2.6 comes from.
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