novice wallpaper troubles


Novice has just emptied bedroom of furniture prior to having it recarpeted. The walls have wallpaper on them that have been re-painted with white emulsion.
The person who originally put on this second layer of wallpaper has wallpapered *around* a flat mirror that was screwed to the wall. (instead of undoing four screws and taking it off the wall to wallpaper the whole wall ).
Consequently there is a big square patch of the first wallpaper. I have never done any wallpapering and my neighbour has given me the Readers Digest ' Repair Manual' ( printed 1976 ). Reading all the complications it lists, is enough to put off this novice, and anyway I just dont have the time for this work.
At the moment all I can think of to solve the problem, is to sandpaper the edge of the outermost wallpaper and smear on the good old polyfilla, to try to get a reasonable flat finish to the edges to emulsion over.
Is this the best way to go ? without the too onerous task of a lot of fresh wallpapering. thanks for any advice.
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torge conrad maguar wrote:

Don't try to unbodge a bodge, you'll be sorry! You'll end up having to take the wall paper off with one layer of polyfilla. Or end up 'living' with the bodge and it will annoy you every time you look at it.
Take all the wall paper off. It's the best way. Then you can paint, fill, sand, & paint the wall and be proud!
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Wallpaper over the patch with a distinctively different paper and edge with a border roll. Repeat a couple of times elsewhere in the room and call it a feature.
Colin Bignell
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torge conrad maguar wrote:

Don't do it!
If you do you will regret it later.
It is very difficult to make a good job when there is old wallpaper and your attempts at sanding and filling will make a bad job even worse...
I'm afraid to say that you really need to bite the bullet and start afresh.
Sorry!
Steve
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torge conrad maguar wrote:

Just put another, slightly larger, mirror in its place. Or if you don't like mirror, a picture. Or move the wardrobes around to hide it.
Owain
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"torge conrad maguar" wrote:

If you don't have time to do a proper job then that leaves three options, do another diy bodge, get someone in to do it for, or get something to hide the area.
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I bought my first house from a decorator. He and his wife were telling me how they hadn't realised until the day they moved in 4 years before, that the previous owned hadn't carpeted under the bed or the wardrobe or the sideboard, so they'd had to start by getting the carpets replaced. Well, guess what? When I moved in I discovered the _decorator_ hadn't papered behind the wardrobe! Funny how it was comically stupid not to carpet under one, yet perfectly OK not to decorate behind one...
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Many thanks to all. Of all the suggestions, (one that i'm assuming didn't involve me having to put up any paper) and which addressed the whole wall was:
Take all the wall paper off. It's the best way. Then you can paint, fill, sand, & paint the wall and be proud! ....... Vodkajelly
I had to peel a bit of wallpaper away and underneath was what i'm assuming was 'lining' paper.
If i was to try to use some polyfilla to smooth off the whole wall without using lining paper, what is the best polyfilla to use please?
There are so many variations on the shelves of diy shops and i know from experience some pollyfillas are very hard to sand down.
So is it feasible to forget lining paper and emulsion straight on to a 'filled and sanded' plastered wall? If so what type of polyfilla to go for please? thanks again.
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:20:14 GMT, "torge conrad maguar"

Not sure that Vodkajelly didn't mean paper after removing the old paper then to paint it but dunno. If you take off the old paper you'll be left with plaster and who knows what condition it will be in so you will need to fill any blemishes in that and thats what lining paper is for ...to give you a surface suitable for emulsioning .
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:20:14 GMT, "torge conrad maguar"

Or the backing of the wallpaper you peeled half of off?
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"torge conrad maguar" wrote:

Filler is not meant for whole walls, it is for filling holes and cracks. For a whole wall you need something like Polycell SmoothOver or one-coat plaster.
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DIY wrote:

The Wickes versions of these plaster substitutes are much better value. I think the OP would be better putting a picture on the wall rather than trying to match the surrounding wall texture. No chance, whatever you use.
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torge conrad maguar wrote:

You will find it very difficult to remove just one layer of paper unless the top coat is one that delaminates easily (like some vinyl papers)

Polyfilla is ok for small cracks and blemishes. Personally I prefer some of the ultra lightweight fillers you can get since they are over paintable in 5 mins.
A tub of ready mixed artex makes for a very cheap and easy to sand filler. Same goes for the filler designed for dry lining (15kg bag for about 10). It goes on easily and is designed to be sanded.

It is, but you will need to assess the state of the wall once the paper is off. Then decide if the effort in patching is greater than in lining etc.
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