Cellulose thinners?

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Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something different???
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Something different.
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Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....
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Cellulose thinners is basically acetone. Although most cars are refinished in two part paint nowadays, motor paint suppliers will almost certainly stock it.
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wrote:

Toluene.
Automotive refinish suppliers are your friend. But I use fast synthetic thinners rather than cellulose thinners, it is much less likely to react with an old finish that you may be spraying over.
Julian.
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:52:19 -0700, paulfoel wrote:

=================================Almost any car spares shop will stock cellulose thinners.Take care because it's far more volatile and flammable than White spirit / Turps.
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Car accessory shops motor factors car body paint suppliers Google for cellulose thinners produces many on line suppliers
Note that there are different grades and types for different purposes and prices to suit
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paulfoel wrote:

You won;t. Can't be shipped/posted. Too inflammable.
Go to a model shop, or to a builders merchants, or to an automotive car paint factors, or to a chemists. Or to a glass fiber supply place - for acetone anyway.
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How do think retailers get it shipped to them?
Couriers will take all sorts these days if suitably packed, labelled and paid for. It amused me that
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snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote:

On special trucks mainly. NOT through the post. NOT on a standard courier. IIRC you need special insurance cover and have to jump through some hoops to do it.

No they won't.

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Well that would explain why just a normal courier company regularly delivers to us acetone, toluene, isopropyl alcohol, epoxy resin, polyester resin etc etc.
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Nah, they're obviously a figment of your imagination ;-)
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:52:19 -0700, paulfoel

This product is only available at B&Q's tills. It is not put on their shelves. In other words ask a cashier who will have a supply in a locked cupboard. When I checked I found they had Hammerite Cellulose Thinners which was about twice as expensive as a similar sized can I bought at a Motobitz kind of shop.
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paulfoel wrote:

Something different.
Acetone, methyl methacrylate. Methhyl Ethyl ketone.. Xylene..IIRC these are what's in most cellulose solvents.
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Different.
You can buy small tins in Halfords, etc, but if you find a car paint supplier you'll get 5 litres for not much more. If you're just using it for cleaning things get the cheap type for spray gun cleaning. If for diluting high quality paint ask for fast thinners - it costs more, though.
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I think Hammerite brush cleaner is pretty much the same thing if you're restricted to the sheds and don't need a lot
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If for

Anti-bloom or premium thinners for that. Fast is suited to mixing with primer or washing guns out.
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Cellulose thinner is/was derived from the cotton plant, described as a very volatile aggressive solvent and when used as a medium for paint (cellulose paint) it is resoluble, meaning is can be dissolved or redissolved in its own solvent, this is how the cellulose paint finishing system works by softening the underneath layers of (cellulose) paint which forms a unique solid bonded mass paint thickness and not as individual layers.
Turpentine is a mild resinous extract taken from pine trees described as an oil or spirit, it it not resoluble it its own solvent which is why you don't get solvent reactions with turpentine based paints etc, this paint medium lays on top of each layer separately each as an individual layer and does not form a solid bonded mass paint thickness.
You can wipe turpentine solvents over cellulose paint without affecting the finish at all but you cannot wipe cellulose thinner over turps based finishes or indeed cellulose because it will react, soften or lift the paint finish like paint remover.
Turpentine, turpentine substitute, and white spirit are all compatible with each other as they are not aggressive solvents unlike cellulose.
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Stephen Hull wrote:

cellulose is not a solvent.
Nor IIRC is it derived from cotton any more. IIRC its pretty much cellulose acetate that is what is referred to as 'cellulose' or 'celluloid'
Cellulose SOLVENTS (things that dissolve cellulose, not are made from it) are aggressive organic solvents mostly derived from the petrochemical indsustry, unlike alcohols (mainly derived from starches by fermentation) or turpentine,. which is an oily complex substance derived from wood, or white spirit, which is either is syntehtic, or refined version of turpentine. Wiki says its a paraffin derived synthetic..well from oil rather than wood anyway.
What is in a typical 'cellulose' solvent is pretty variable. Has to be since the cellulose itself may be acetate, nitrate or butyrate, and there are various properties of the solvent like speed of evaporation and water absorption etc. etc. that affect how its used.
A bit of idle googling reveals that ethyl acetate (pear drops) is one as is methyl acetate, certainly acetone ethylene glycol diacetate is used..
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