The design may be different, but they are manufactured by the same Chinese
Reluctantly, I'm taking Milwaukee off of my preferred list of tool makers.
(It's getting pretty short!)
Techtronic Industuries acquired the Milwaukee. brand and businesses in 2005
TTI (HQ'd in Hong Kong) _owns_ Milwaukee. And, AEG, Ryobi, Hoover and Dirt
Milwaukee's power tool and accessories are also manufactured to its exacting
standards in modern facilities in Europe and throughout the world.
I think "throughout the world" probably includes China.
As with most consumer products, there really are only a few companies making
them. There's often quite a difference between the brands. Other times,
none at all.
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And that may or may not matter. Just because it is made in China does not
mean it is low quality.
On May 9, 1:48 pm, email@example.com (Chris Lewis) wrote:
And from the link I previously posted -quote -
"Milwaukee is headquartered in Brookfield, Wisconsin, which is also
home to research, new product development, manufacturing support,
marketing, sales and information systems. It has modern production
facilities in Greenwood, Jackson and Kosciusko, Mississippi;
Blytheville, Arkansas and Matamoros, Mexico.
Milwaukee's power tool and accessories are also manufactured to its
exacting standards in modern facilities in Europe and throughout the
world. In 2001, the Milwaukee brand was launched in Australia by
Milwaukee's sister company AEG, located in Winnenden, Germany and was
re-launched in Europe and the rest of the world in 2002. ..."
I didn't say the were _only_ made in US, and, if you'll note the quote
you posted includes the key world "also". It's pretty clear the
products for SE Asia/Australia/etc. markets are produced outside the
US and the European are at least partially produced there.
If you'll also look at the TTI web page you'll find a message that
brand loyalty and identification is a key business strategy and that
they have a very deliberate idea of marketing to the full range of
customers and price ranges as an overall company and that all products
are not designed for all markets.
Search for a thread only a few weeks ago where I posted a significant
more detailed analysis in response to another poster's questions about
Milwaukee. There's quite an interesting story in there as I learned
while doing quite a bit of research a year or so ago in order to
evaluate the company as investment opportunity/merit...they're not the
ordinary stereotypical "Chinese startup" kind of outfit by any means
despite having some production in China and Ryobi being their initial
Sorry, didn't say that right -- they started supplying products
primarily to Sears, then started the Ryobi and generated the
sweetheart deal w/HD with it and parlayed that into what they
currently are rather than Ryobi first. But they knew specifically
what market they were after w/ Ryobi and it wasn't/isn't
If I may sound off on this one,
Personally where the tool is manufactured weighs in little for me. As
much as I would prefer to buy American or Canadian, (keep our boys
working) QUALITY will be my sole decider. I know China has meant, and
in some cases still means cheap crap and deeper still human rights
issues, etc. But the world is headed in that direction. And better and
better stuff keeps coming from that manufacturing juggernaut know as
cheap labor China. Often they are our companies, exploiting the labor
cost difference. Anyway that said, I have been a BOSCH fan for years.
I've recently been displeased with a few of their newer tools, but the
Mitre Box for example, well... IMHO ,I dont think theres a better one
on earth at any price point. I love mine.
Unfortunately for those w/ that as a primary criterion, a major
fraction of purchasers apparently have PRICE as the sole decider,
which allows the poor quality stuff to succeed in the market place. :(
My point to OP wasn't really about China per se, but a particular
company and a false assumption.
As a retired contractor, I have always sworn by Skil too. Got a
battery drill sometime ago at Lowes that is a beauty. It was on
special for about 40 bucks. Wish I had my 40 back. Used it 4
times, ie charged it 4 times and the charger won't work any more.
The store manager of that department said the charger would
probably be almost as much ad I paid for the whole thing and they
sold a bunch of them and he said everyone is just throwing them
So much for Skil and so much for Lowes.
Been retired for 18 years so haven't bought much lately.
I had 2 of the older battery drills and 4 batteries for them. My
people used them every day, all day. Usually had one or 2 bats
charging during the day, 1 hr charge. We used and Pounded them
for years and they never failed. Batteries took a memory finally
and I replaced the bats once. Shame a good Co goes to crap.
I have been through several Skill, Craftsman, and Black Decker
cordless tools over the past few years and been rather disappointed in
all of them. Nine months ago I bought a combination set of tools from
Ryobi and couldn't be happier with their performance. The overall
qualitiy of the tools is good and their performance has been well
above that of the previous tools.
I bought them partly because of the price but more important to me was
the value. By that I mean that I compared both price and quality, not
one or the other. That is what you should be looking for when making
any purchase. There may be better tools on the market but if their
price is too high compared to their quality they don't represent a
good value. Likewise, cheaper tools may be of such low quality that
they are not a good value either.
When purchasing any tool or other product the ultimate value is based
on usage. I purchased a tile saw several months ago for $199 from
Harbor Freight. It was far from the best saw available and was also
not the cheapest saw available. I knew that I only had two or three
projects that I would be using it for over the next year or two. The
first thought was to buy one for $75-$100 or so but examination showed
that they would probably cost more in poor cuts and wasted tiles than
they would save. They were not good for more than a tile backdrop in
I looked at top of the line saws and found them to be great quality
and would last through years of commercial use but their price to use
value for me wasn't there. So, I ended up buying an inexpensive saw
with more than enough value that was probably build in China but gave
me exactly what I needed, the best value for the dollar spent.
I once bought a little 1/4" no-name drill because I wanted the
RPM's of a little one. Got it at the lumber yard for something
like 10 bucks. We used that little thing for years and the drill
head bearing is so worn out that you can wiggle the chuck around
but it still runs well.
Well, w/ those as comparatives, you're in at least the same general
range of target market. TTI of course, began as a manufacturer for
Sears/Craftsman and then built the Ryobi brand and got the
distribution deal w/ HD from that experience/basis. While I haven't
looked in detail for several years now, it would be surprising to find
they're not still making a fair amount of stuff for Sears. I've not
investigated the Skil/B&D actual manufacturing relationships enough to
know of any possible connection in production facilities although one
would presume they're not contracting for them, even that wouldn't be
out of the realm of possibilities.
I was talking with a plumbing company the other day who was also using
Ryobi tools. Caught me by surprise that they would be using them
since their load demand would far exceed mine. I ask them if they
were happy with the tools and the quality. Their answer was that
while the tools were not as good as say the Dewalt brand, their cost
was so much lower that they could by three or four and still save
money. Their experience had shown about 3/4 of the use at 1/4 of the
cost. Still seems like a good value.
The cost ratio would seem high although could believe the use/
longevity might be roughly correct. Of course, one could get the cost
ratio to that point if comparing a K-Mart/Walmart-purchased homeowner
tool to a tool purchased at the plumbing distributorship.
Every business owner/contractor/etc. has to work out what is the most
cost-effective tool management program for their particular
situation. I know those who use the same "throw-away" scheme and
others who "buy best". In those instances, what is the difference
primarily of the ones I'm thinking of is the types of crews they have--
the "cheap but cheery" guy uses hourlies while the "pricey but strong"
guy has long-term employees. I hypothesize the labor and the personal
proclivities of the individuals has as much or more to do w/ the
longevity of the tool as the tool itself.
I simply compare how as an employer I have tools which I have owned/
used for in some cases 40 years that a particular hand has been able
to destroy (or nearly so) in a half-hour before it was rescued. Otoh,
others are also able to operate with impunity the same tool doing the
Agreed. The shift is well on the way with Taiwan and Korea now, and
it _will_ happen with China too. The end result being high wages and
a certain amount of stagnation/regrouping as they meet or exceed
where we are now (in wages, QoL, prices etc). Question is whether our
economies will survive the phenomena with China, or instead, whether
it's our turn next.
Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
On May 15, 2:45 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org (Chris Lewis) wrote:
Of course our economies are going to get clobbered. The only thing
keeping our salaries and benefits and way of life as high as they are
is geographic isolation; the money is over here not over there, we are
over here, therefore we have more money. Thanks to modern
communications and transportation, that isolation is greatly reduced.
Eventually things will stabilize, but we're not going to live long
enough to see that period. In the meantime, it's going to be a bumpy
ride. Like when the industrial revolution displaced agriculture, or
when mechanization replaced hand labor.
Given that the US trade deficit in 2005 was $728B and is still
increasing, you seem to be doing your best to move it over "there" :-(
It'll stabilize, but it'll be bumpy getting there, and I have my
doubts whether you're going to be happy with the stabilized level.
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