On Oct 11, 7:00 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Stiffen? For what purpose? Stiffness would almost assuredly require
additional wall depth to have any real difference. Is that something
you're willing to live with? I'd just go with something like this:
On Oct 11, 4:00 pm, email@example.com wrote:
As Rico mention, adding significant out of plane stiffness to a
timber framed wall means adding depth (thickness) to the wall.
Without increasing wall depth (thickenss) you could opne up one side
& sister heavy steel channels to the 3.5" dimension of the studs. An
expensive & labor intensive effort
Alternatively you could open up the wall on both sides and sheath
both sides with plywood; glue & staple, creating a very stiff plate
when you say stiffen...how much do you desire to increase the
stifness? +50%? 2x? 5x?
I should have stated that the wall in question is still under
construction (no drywall up yet), so I can modify as I wish. It's 3
feet in front of an exterior wall. The idea is to effectively make an
enormous speaker enclosure (infinite baffle). I want to stiffen the
wall so that the force of the subwoofers (a pair of panels with 4 15"
woofers each) doesn't make the wall move. I'm not sure how much
stiffer it needs to be. Could I add, say, unistrut to the studs
( think that's what jloomis was talking about)? Or how about putting
pairs of scissors trusses between the wall and the exterior wall where
the subwoofer panels are? The exterior wall is stucco on the outside,
and half of it has shear wall panels.
On Oct 11, 11:10 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Easiest way to stiffen it would to put a couple intermediate braces
from each stud to the outside wall at the third points vertically.
Effectively you're shortening the unsupported stud length.
Unsupported in this instance means laterally. That would give you the
biggest improvement in stiffness. Since it's an enclosure, - a crawl/
access space - those braces shouldn't really interfere with anything.
Alternatively you could go with much deeper studs, say 2x8s, and use
horizontal blocking at the third points vertically.
The first option would be stiffer and cheaper. I'd also consider
sheathing the stud wall in 3/4" plywood.
On Oct 11, 8:10 pm, email@example.com wrote:
This is the operative phrase.
If you don't know how much stiffer it needs to be, how can you
determine how to make it stiffer?
Your exterior walls & shear walls are primarily for gravity load &
lateral (in plane) loads. They really are not for out of plane
loading (except wind).
A 2x8 wall (out of plane) is about 10x stiffer than a 2x4 wall. Will
the new wall have any cutouts or penetrations?
With out knowing how you want this thing to perform, we're all just
The ceiling diaphragm needs to be plywood against the ceiling joists &
then drywall covering it. Just stiffening the wall without
considering the overall load path is going to get you into trouble.
What does the speaker mfr suggest?
I'd mount the speakers ASAP & give them a test drive before the wall
is finished / finalized......a lot easier to make changes before
everything is finsihed.
There are no specific listed requirements for the speaker drivers.
They're actually designed for car audio, so the assumption is they
would go into something like a trunk panel. What I plan to do is
mount the drivers on a panel (4 to a panel) made of a triple layer of
3/4" plywood and MDF, then screw the panel into the studs over a
cutout of the drywall. Based on what you said about a 2 x 8 wall
being 10x stiffer than a 2 x 4 wall (10x stiffer sounds adequate), it
sounds like the best approach will be to add extra wood so that it
effectively doubles or triples the thickness of the studs.
I would use channel iron from the store.......or bed frame used.........get
some double sided foam tape, and put the channel on the wall stud with foam
tape inbetween.........screw it down tite......
The channel from the store comes pre-drilled.......You could use small lags
1/4" x 1 1/2" with rubber washers also....
The gasket inbetween would help anti vibrate.
Just a dumb idea.......
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:00:37 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
8x8's ? <bg>
I don't know if it is practical if those sub-woofers are any good at
all. I think you'd need some massive wall to block the sound. (Is that
what you are trying to do, avoid upsetting the neighbors, or are you
afraid the sounds will break the plaster?)
Or are you seeing resonance problems with the walls?
A bit more information on what the problem is would help...
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