Re: Homegrown

[gruhn]

However, he said the

> Constitution allows federal regulation of homegrown marijuana as interstate > commerce.

He'd be wrong there.

[3D Peruna]

Yep.

"Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution." --James Madison, Federalist No. 39

[Kris Krieger]

"Don" wrote in news:Azape.527$ [e-mail]:

I don't see how in the bloody bleep 3 (the allowed number) palnts in one;s yard can have ANYTHING to do with "interstate commerce".

It seems to be that they're just playing fast and loose with the Constitution, period. Seems to be all the rage recently =>:-p

Other thing is, the Repuiblicans used to (and still do) carry on a lot about "states rights" and "smaller gov.t" - but they're nothing more than liars, because they *only* are for that when it suits their egotisticl hypermoralistic agenda. They don't give a crap about rights at all.

What comes next? After all, some religious sects regard *coffee* as a "mind altering substance". So are we going to outlaw coffee because 500 fundies believe it's "sinful" or "not sacred"?

Where does it end?

[gruhn]

The pot could have been bought from a licenesed business out of state. Could have been.

Of course one imagines that it went something like this...

"Hey, let's set up a federation of sovreign states based on an idea of liberty and have the oversight assembly in charge of controlling every single little thing that happens at an individual level in those sovreign states."

Or maybe it was

"Hey, let's set up a federation of sovreign states and have an oversight assembly whose job is to make sure that interactions between those states are regular and they don't try to f*ck with each other."

See also "well regulated".

It isn't really hard.

They all are

The Republicans are not the "evil tools of the religious right" that the Democrats would have you believe.

None of them do.

The current "enlightened" political division is libertarian/statist. This nicely lumps the majority of politicians and politics over to one side and you get to see how it's all just piddling about what color boots they'll be wearing.

I like how you use "regard" as if it actually weren't.

The religion thing is a red herring. You do yourself a great service if you drop it.

[Kris Krieger]

"gruhn" wrote in news:%clpe.45$ [e-mail]:

But "could have been" isn't the basis for much - more than that is (supposedly) required to obtain a search warrant.

Additionally, the interstate sale and teransport of hemp seed and poppy seed (and I mean Papaver somniferum) is *already permitted*. Hemp seeds are found in some seed mixes labelled as a type of "canary treat and song enhancer" - it "mellows" canaries (especially American Singer canaries) whose song is what's called "driving" - extrememly loud, to the point of being harsh, due to aggression (since that is how songbirds compete).

Now, the seeds *are* irradiated, but we all know about chaos theory - IOW, what if one seed was at the bottom of a small heap. If you have old seed and throw it into the yard, and opne hemp seed sjust happens to be viable, grow, and self-pollinate (which I assume to be possible, since I've not read ro heard that there are separate male and female plants, as there are, for example, with Holly shrubs, which is why your female plants won;t set seed if amale plant is not nearby). The point is, the seed was purchased

*legally*. Granted, this is a bit unlikely, but it's still possible. IN any event, just let the gov.t just *try* to prove that is not what happened, if someone has only a very few plants.

As for poppy seeds, well, let's just say that there is an old German sayign that when the kids are getting wild, give them some poppyseed strudel, the reason being, that the poppy seeds will 'make them calmer'. That's because the poppy seeds used on food contain opioids. Also, they are a popular garden flower, because of the delicate, light silvery-green foliage, and the beautiful flowers - red is dominant but all sorts of color mutations can occur. The grew pretty much wild in Vancouver, in fact, because the seeds were spread by various means (birds and other animals, heavy wind, falling into the creases of people's clothing, and so on). Some might be irradiated, but if you buy a jar of poppy seeds, at least he imported ones are viable. Very viable - throw out a handfull and they'll grow like weeds, with just a little water. ((BTW, poppy plants of all types, even California poppy, which isn't even a Papaver spp. but rather, if I remember correctly, an Escholtzia spp.)) tend to die if you try to transplant them, something to remember if you like the look of poppies in the garden.))

So, as I see it at least, the claim of "interstate commerce" of seeds, when it's being applied across the board and even in opposition to state laws allowing the use of medical marijuana, is nothing but smoke and mirrors intended to cover up the fact that there are a lot of people who yell a lot about "morals" but don't really have a clue.

Remembering, of course, thet we are talking about something given to people who are deathly ill. I suppose someone could claim "placebo effect", but that claim is utterly meaningless unless studies are doen to *prove* that a placebo (i.e. pot substitute) gives the same relief as does pot. Of course, I wouldn't want to tbe the researcher on the receiving end of the uproar that'd result from using deathly ill people in such a way.

IOW, as usual, the situation is self-contradictory, but nobody wants to take a close look at the ramifications, because most people just want the simplest answer possible - and the simplest answer is to simply ban, not only pot, but also, food-related poppyseed and hemp seed in any and all forms and uses. IOW, no more poppyseed kaiser rolls foro anybody. ANd then what's next? Morning Glory seeds, for one, but there are more garden- flower seeds that can, if ingested, produce a hallucinatory effect.

Note that thre is no ban on things that can KILL you, such as, Castor Bean plants and seeds, certain spices, Acetominophen, and so on. The thing that people scream about is anything that might give you a buzz.

What isn't really hard? THe origin of interstate commerce regulations? It's not even a matter of being "not hard" - it's a no-brainer.

What I don't see is the use of federal interstate commerce regulations to harass exceedingly ill, and even dying, people over 3 or 5 pot plants to be used under a physician's care and instructions, when their state's laws permit that type of use. It simply doesn't make sense.

It esp. deosn't make sense given that it's the Republicans pushing for this harassment, and the Republican party blows a lot of hot air about "supproting state's rights".

It's hypocrisy. And I remain unconvinced that it's entirely legal to use the interstate commerce regulations in the manner under discussion.

It's got nothing to do with the Democrats, it's got to do with what i see going on all around me, across the nation. I can't cite every thing I've read or heard, including commentaries by Conservatives on many matters, so I'll resort to shorthand and keep it short'n'simple: as I see it, there is a continuing, if subtle, erosion of individual rights and freedoms. Granted, more responsibility is needed, but what's being done is not the way to acheive that. You don't eliminate a problem by taking away various rights of all people. Injustice does *not* create justice.

And as I see it, hounding cancer patients because they have 3 or so pot plants is *NOT* just. I also do not think it is moral, because it causes them increased suffering on top of what they're already going through.

Well, true...

And if you want to wear sandals, too bad, you just get flattened by the steamroller.

I used the word because I don't recall that coffee's primary action is on the brain. I thought it acts upon the endocrine ssytem, increasing adrenalin and converting the glycogen stored in the liver back into glucose. IOW, not much different from riding a roller coaster, or doing anything else that raises the adrenalin level. IOW a physiological effect whose side effect is to stimulate the brain. Check me on that, but I think that's the case with coffee.

By this reasonong, one could claim that food is "mind altering" because of post-prandial narcosis (i.e., getting sleepy after eating). Especially turkey and other foods (including warm milk) that conatin high levels of, what is it, Tyrosine I think, which causes serotonin levels to rise, which in turn makes people feel mellow and often sleepy.

Therefore, I said "regard", as in, view, opine, consider.

I don't entirely agree on either point. All you have to do is listen to the politicians/lawmakers/commentators themselves. The increase of religious influences (and that does not include Buddhist, Islamic, Taoist, Animist, or Shintoist religions) upon legal matters is a matter of public record. As regards the question of medical marijuana, yes, I do think that overly-moralistic influences are indeed playing a part, remembering that "moral" and "moralistic" have very different, even opposing, meanings.

Spirituality is not the same thing as religion, as Church, and I do hold to the principle of Separation of Church and State and find it reprehensible whenever one disguises itself as the other ((as history shows, that is only done to take rights and responsibilities away from people)). If people are going to claim that the US is a *spiritual* nation, and if people are going to strive towards that end, then let them profess a dedication to religious and spiritual plurality within the boundaries of civil, Constitutional law.