Re: High rise towers in the UK question

"Pat" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

The problem isn't the architecture or the planning. You have to > remember "The Golden Rule" which says "He who has the gold, makes the > rules".

That might be "The Gold Rule", but "The Golden Rule" is "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you".

> In public housing -- or almost all housing -- EVERYTHING is driven by > the money. Want highrises, set your funding/scoring to make that > advantageous. Don't want them, do the opposite. A funding agency > could get purple buildings that are round have yellow ooze coming out > of them if they set the fund priorities right. And a developer could > find an architect to design it if he paid them. Good projects don't > get funded, highly scoring ones do. That is why the all are the same > and have the same problems. That is what scored high at the time. > Now they are ripping them down -- guess why. Now there's a program > for that (called HOPE VI). It isn't "show me the money". It is > "follow the money". > > Okay Don, you can now rant about your tax dollars being hard at work. > But that's life. > > > Michael Bulatovich wrote: >> > >> > Tim wrote: >> > Here's some reading: >> > American Project . The Rise and Fall of Modern Ghetto >> > ISBN 0-674-00321-7 >> > >> > Preface begins, "The idea for this book began taking shape in 1990, >> > when I was conducting interviews for a research project...I came to >> > the University of Chicago to begin graduate studies in the >> > department of Sociology." Author is Indian, born in Madras. >> > >> > I, myself, am not surprised your social worker doesn't like public >> > housing. >> > I've worked as an architect around housing projects by Davis Brody, >> > Charles Moore, Louis Sauer, and the nameless. The more successful >> > dense solutions were for upper income types. Scattered site housing >> > seemed to work best for lower income folk. >> >> Amen. I can't believe we're still having this discussion. The motives >> of the architects, and anybody else involved, are ultimately >> unknowable, and probably not very important, unless it's part of a >> plea agreement. >> >> Almost all the slums we have in TO are institutionalized slums run by >> the government. That they thought they were doing a good thing back >> in the 50's or 60's doesn't change the fact that they were disasters. >> The architecture was only a part of the problem. The planning was the >> bigger part, IMHO. >> >> Once public, there was no way for the market to change the pattern of >> poverty and crime, and it looked like we were stuck with them >> forever. In a confession of the failure, local government has now >> approved the systematic demolition and re-development of our biggest >> and oldest, publicly owned slum to mixed use (private-public, >> residential-commercial) *on* the city grid : >> >>
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