I'm a student in Architecture and now I'm starting my thesis degree that
will be about the design of a museum with the employment of a new concrete,
Ductal (http://www.ductal-lafarge.com ).
Anyone could be so kind to give me some online or offline (books, magazines,
...) references about Ductal ?
I'm also interested in collecting materials, books, catalogues, monographs
about museums and stand exibition designed by famous architects.
Thanks in adavance,
First, read the alt.architecture FAQ.
Second, if it's a NEW material why would there be any references to it?
New implies it's not been used before. If it's not been used before,
then there can't be any references. If there aren't any references, how
would anybody point you to them? How about contacting the company
itself and ask them if they have a customer list you could contact.
What I'm even more surprised at (but shouldn't be anymore) is that you
are starting your thesis degree and ask such, well, inane questions.
Well thought out questions will get you help. The questions you asked
will most likely garner mocking posts, like this one.
New doesn't mean "innovative," it means "new." I've seen new products
that are not innovative, so if you meant new and innovative, you should
have stated so. Following the posted link has NOTHING to do with your
question, or my reply.
No...let's review. You posted "Anyone could be so kind to give me some
online or offline (books, magazines,...) references about Ductal ?".
Your words. You did NOT state you wanted to "share information and
collect other experiences." You were looking for information. This is
further evidenced by "I'm also interested in collecting materials,
books, catalogues, monographs about museums and stand exibition designed
by famous architects." What makes you think we're more capable (or
useful) than your school's librarian or an Amazon search? Again, the
assumption the "regulars" here make is that you're looking for somebody
to do your homework for you (again, I reference the FAQ).
You're welcome (and I did sense the sarcasm). Your question fell into
the category of "do my work for me because I don't know how to use
Google effectively." I answered accordingly.
My answers were not "stupid." You may just be offended in how you were
Look...I have no idea who you are, as you don't know who I am. But you
came in to a public place and proceeded to make a fool of yourself with
your post and subsequent reply. Heck, I could have easily classified it
as an advertisement (which, are premitted, under certain
circumstances-see the FAQ) rather than a "question."
How about you try again with more specific, answerable questions?
3D, maybe an addition to the FAQ may be in order due to demand. Rather
than tell them to Google it why don't we add "helpful" ways to use
search terms on Google? That seems to be the problem here. People
will open Google, but some don't seem to know how to use it. ;-)
My universities started using electronic "boolean" seach engines for their
libraries a long time ago.
If you're a student in architecture or anything else, it pains me to think
that you would be incapable of what, to me at least, would be rudimentary
research skills... which is different from saying Laura's in need of them.
Just to say that I have already searched on the Web (google, books about
Ductal on amazon, ...), I have already searched in school's librarian (OPAC
by other colleges of engineering and architecture) with no success. The
topic is so new that it's very difficult to find materials and documents.
The only materials I have found was on LaFarge web site. Clearly, I have
already contacted the company to obtain (with no success) more technical
materials in addition
to the few brochures available on their web site.
I can assure you that I know to use google, internet, search engines and so
on. I will say more: if you try to search using only Ductal as keyword, you
will obtain all except resources about Ductal... you have to use
concrete+Ductal or Ductal+LaFarge.... if you know how to use google ;-)
My idea was to post on a newsgroup, for direct contact and information
exchange with people who could have employed Ductal for design in their
everyday professional life.
What is your contribution to this discussion? Nothing....
Do you have so time to waste? Are you so rude and unpolite to post this
Please, stop posting unless that (but I know that it's not possible....) I
have to post something useful.
It's clearly that you have never heard about Ductal....
I don't want anyone to do my homework.
Internet and newsgroup were born to share knowledge.
If such person like 3DPeruna doesn't know that, patience.
A good starting point is
No need to assume, or lecture, what I know or don't know. Yes, I may
seem somewhat curmudgeonly, but please go back and re-read your original
post and see if you can't understand why the response was what it was.
I can give examples of several questions that would have elicited a
different response. Such as "I've found this new product (give link).
It's new. Does anyone have any experience with it? Would you use it?
If so, how?"
Your item about "I'm also interested in collecting materials, books,
catalogues, monographs about museums and stand exibition designed by
famous architects." Is simply a statement. Something else is needed to
make it useful (or even interesting). Such as "I'm interested in XYZ.
I've been to EBay, Amazon, Prairie Avenue, etc. Does anybody have other
places or sites that might be useful? I have ABC in my collection, are
there recommendations for other things that I might enjoy?"
You see the difference? Try it...you, and we, might like it.
You continue in posting unuseful and polemic answers.
You are very obstinate and repeat the same things.
You are arrogant because you think to teach others how to write, how to
post, how to make question.
You are not clever at all if you don't understand the needs and the spirit
of a student
Please, stop posting anything unless about Ductal ( have you understood what
Ductal is? )
No. I'll try and be more patronizing. You, my dear (how's that?), are
the one who's missing the point. Your original post did not ask the
questions to which you were wanting answers. As to my answers being
"unuseful", I'm not sure how your post could have elicited useful
answers. I've attempted to help you along (and in the absence of gruhn,
I think I've done a pretty good job).
I have not attempted to "teach anyone how to write." There was no
grammar lesson included in my post. Simply some suggestions about how
to get more out of your post.
No...I'm not clever. And having "never" been a student, I don't
understand their needs at all...
Why do you insist on assuming motives? You have yet to admit that your
original post has garnered very little useful. Marcello finally posted
something, out of the goodness of his heart. I don't know if it will be
"useful" to you or not--you still haven't posted a question that would
That's because you're using the wrong search terms. Try "fiber
reinforced concrete Ductal" (220,000 hits, as opposed to just Ductal
Ductal is basically fiber-reinforced concrete, a very old technology.
And for the ol' translucent concrete (and some words about Ductal)
I've never specified Ductal, but it seems like a great product to make
spiral concrete stairs supported only at the top and bottom treads.
I can Google with the best of 'em. As Marcello posted, your product
isn't as "new" as you thought it might have been. I've had the
opportunity to consider "fiber-reinforced concrete," but due to budget
considerations, those ideas were abandoned.
Do you mean Ductal the product or fiber-reinforced concrete? Again, two
I beg to differ. First, I've been entertained. That's a positive
contribution. I suspect a few other regulars have been, too. Second,
you might consider how you post to newsgroups next time.
It's my time (it's my firm) to do with as I please. As for being rude,
I have not called you names, insulted you or done any of the things
typically considered rude. I have been somewhat condescending. You may
see that as rude. I see it as appropriate for the circumstances.
I'm quite sure you don't have the authority to ask me to stop posting,
and quite obviously, I haven't. And, yes, it would be nice if you would
post something useful.
That sentence certainly warrants a grammar lesson, but I'll skip it. I
will point out that you have fallen in to old habits regarding assuming
with strangers might nor might not know. It's not a very good sign...
I was going to say, a list of professional who might be willing to send
some ifo re: their expereince with it.
And, is the Periodical Index no longer published? Back when I was writing
papers (i.e. The Early Cretaceous Era ;) ), there were loads of subject
references that directed one to various journals, and articles therein. Is
none of that published anymore...? Or has the so-called "educational"
system stopped passing along even that basic sort of information, along
with other basics, in favor of increasing Digital Dementia...?
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