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Anyone seen these products after the factory paint has failed?
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Have not personally. We just specced this stuff recently on a school modernization.
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Michael Bulatovich wrote:

They grow mold which can be powerwashed off. Haven't noticed a lot of color change from sunlight, however.

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The finish looks pretty tough, and they guarantee it for 15 years, but I was wonder what it might look like *after* it fails...Flaking? Peeling? (Worst cases.)Powdering? (Not so bad.) Fading? (What doesn't change color?)
I haven't seen any failures myself, but the product has been around longer stateside than it has here.
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Is that like Hardie har har board? :)
Seriously, though, I thought it was called Hardiboard or Hardiplank. Am I wrong?
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It's definitely Hardi.
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Yeah, but made by Hardie.
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Yeah, isn't the manufacturer named James Hardie or something like that?
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<Jude adjusts sweaty collar> TAP! TAP! TAP! Is this thing on?

The products are named like that. The company's is a family name, I think. They also make a shingle that's very nice for traditional work (locally ~$9.50/sq.ft.), and a big 'panel'.
The question was, **how** does the finish eventually fail?
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Same as anything else - through lack of maintenance. Water gets under the finish and starts blowing off the paint due to vapor pressure. The Hardie line of siding products take and hold paint beautifully. The paint job will last far longer than if on wood. The big caveat is that the stuff absorbs water and all cut ends must be sealed with paint. If you take care during the installation you can expect to get about double the life of a paint job. The stuff is easy to install. There are shears that are great for cutting the fiber cement stuff without raising god awful amounts of dust.
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Thanks for that, but in asking "How does it fail?" what I meant was, "What is the mode of finish failure?" I.E., flaking or peeling or powdering or just fading? IOW, what will it look like when it has failed? Is the color beneath the paint a Portland grey?
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I was thinking the paint for certain colors was integrated.
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Unless you use something other than latex paint, it'll peel. Solid body stain doesn't peel - it wears/leaches away. The fiber cement is regulation cement color.
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Thanks. That's what I suspected. Not the best mode of failure....
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? As opposed to what? Rotting wood? Let me list all of the maintenance free sidings:
Hmmm, short list. Maybe siding products with no drawback will do better:
I guess not.
What exactly are you hoping for?
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To understand how it wood fail ; ) Paint on aluminum tends to fail by going powdery, but hangs on for a long time after it's failed. (Ever seen bare aluminum siding?) Bare aluminum oxidizes to a fairly stable oxide coating. Vinyl tends to fade, but since it's got 'through color' you don't see a foreign color after failure, but a related color. After that, I'm not sure what happens to vinyl.
Somebody else posted that fiber cement will 'crumble'. Any experience with that?
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That poster said the stuff was _buried_. You're not supposed to bury any type of siding, including brick, so that's a non-issue. I am still not quite sure what you are looking for, Michael. It's a painted siding. Painting requires maintenance and periodic renewal. The Hardie stuff takes and holds paint far longer than wood. It's durable. You won't find many complaints about it because there's not much to complain about. If you don't want to paint, get a plastic siding. It'll look like plastic and you'll be extremely limited in your choice of colors.
The Hardipanel is a godsend if you like the look of stucco, but you can't afford stucco and/or want to do it yourself. Covering the exposed seams with Harditrim (or whatever it's called), and throwing in a few extra pieces does a good job of imitating a half-timbered look. As in everything, it's all in the details - construction details, not esthetic details. If you install if correctly you'll probably get eight years out of a paint job, depending on climate, which is about double the life of painted wood.
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Actually, he said "be covered with moist organic material", not "buried."
That could happen at a roof-to-wall joint.

(Note that quoting of *your* posts is done in the usual manner?)
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That's still buried. No angels dance on the heads of my pins, thank you.

Thank you, I appreciate that. Consistency is a virtue and it's time for you to come back into the fold.
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