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Fine, from now on everything you write after the word 'but' doesn't count.
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What, that you can do anything you want and don't have any responsibilities? Sorry, that's a 7-year old speaking.
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The only thing that needs dismissing is your post.

... but you do. More double-junk.

Why, did you ask them?
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Get a manual.
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Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
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For things like pollution control, this is kind of cop-out argument. Gov't imposes regulations and penalties on industry and the free market determinse how those cost are paid.
But while we are on the subject o not paying one's own way...isn't it ironic how the latest Energy Bill takes money (several billions) from consumers (aka taxpayers) and redistributes it into the pockets of oil industry even during this time of record breaking profit?
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Clearly can't read or doesn't have the minimum faculties required for understanding what's read.
Nice how it took all of twenty seconds to know just how useless this part of the thread is. Now I can move on.
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I noticed. Took two quick dips then was able to ignore a whole branch that said "owl" too much.
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"I've got mine; everybody else can go to hell."
I believe that neanderthal thinking went out with, well, the neandethals.

That's silly.
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I believe in UFOs.
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Gotta agree there. I think you believe in UFOs too.
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Yeah, being selfish is SOOOOO grown-up!
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Don't know what "translation" means.
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owl wrote:

Well, chimps can't be housebroken. It's too bad people didn't descend from cats or dogs.
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Only by your own choice. In the post you replied to I presented you with this evidence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr.png
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html and substantive arguments to refute your points. You claimed: "You can point me to studies that "prove" your point, but I can find an equally large number of studies that "dis-prove" the point by equally reputable sources."
I replied that you can't. Now put up or shut up. You're "I could if I wanted to" blustering does not impress anyone, and your "I'd show you but you won't listen" bluff is completely transparent.

No is not an answer to the multiple choice I presented above.

The only "liberty" you could possibly mean is freedom of profits. Anyway, despite its grounding in the legal precedents, I do not at all buy into the notion that corporations have constitutional or human rights.

Freedom is a great thing. But only a child does not know that freedom comes with responsibility. If you do not have the maturity to be responsible then it is up to the rest of society, via government regulations, to curtail your freedoms or impose penalties for your irresponsible actions. It is that simple, and unless you are an anarchist your argument is childish garbage.
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Yeah, those laws about stopping at red lights infringe on my liberty to drive fast.
Without laws you'd have not liberty but chaos and anarchy.

Your freedom stops where it infringes on mine. Or do you think you've got the freedom to, say, dump toxic waste upstream of me?

What?
Oh great, another idiot calling anybody he disagrees with "socialist." What's the matter, "commie" out of vogue?

Sure we do. It's called "society." If you live on a desert island, you'd have a point.

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Unless you consider paying taxes an infringment on liberty, then there are endless examples. You can start with Social Security. If you do believe that taxes are an enfringement on liberty then there is not likely much to discuss. It is a fact of living in a society that you are not 100% free, you must live in isolation if that is the kind of freedom you want. And then you will die unless you self impose your own limits on your own freedoms.

Many years after learning of the US courts granting corporations bill of rights protections, I am still in shock that it happened and that it goes unremarked in general.

Then I presume you will not object that I exercise my freedom to kill you for disagreeing with me?

This is absolutely incorrect. I will offer a couple of examples as illustration, but the point that *every* freedom comes with responsibility is a bit too philisophical to prove. eg. You have freedom of speech, but this comes with the responsibility not to use it to incite racial hatred. eg. You have freedom to go where you chose but it comes with the responsibility to not tresspass.

Then you are an anarchist? You believe there should be no laws, no police, no environmental protections at all?

You seem to be contradicting yourself. I have sped, I have also paid the fines. I live by rules established by others continuously. The fact that I don't want to pay the fine is a childish reaction that I control in favour of fulfilling my responsibilities as a driver, responsibilities that I accepted along with my freedom to operate a motor vehicle that came with my license.

I don't think you realize where your lines of reasoning lead. I don't *personally* get to set the rules for others, but by the virtue of living in a democracy I do have some level of control on everyone else, as they do on me. That is simply the nature of a society. When you agree to live in a society, you agree to abide by its rules. Heck, when you agree to live with your girlfriend you are agreeing to live by rules you mutually chose. Absolute freedom is a rhetorical device and nothing more.
If you want absolute freedom, then it comes with the responsibility to ensure that *nothing* you do has *any* impact on me whatsoever, or anyone else who has not willingly granted you permission to completely disregard them.
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Idiot alert! Taxation is not theft; it's the far right-wing fringe that calls it that.

Society creates gov't.

How about that your neighbor not dump toxic waste?

So how are things in the Idaho mountains these days? Miss your old friend Ted K?

"If men were angels, there're be no need for government."

Oh please. If you live in a society, you do agree to its rules. If you don't like them, LEAVE.

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Aside from my belief that you are wrong, your manner marks you as useless.
Note how I say _you_ and not some fantasy group that I chose to lump you in with.
Aside : When you get off the left-right axis mode of thought you may make some progress in the world.
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You can belief 2 + 2 = 7 too. It makes no difference.

Yeah, because most people believe taxes are theft. I guess if your world is the Idaho mountains...

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