Sorry, Chuck but this thread is on earthquakes - the AC duct relocation question is a couple threads over. ;)
Don is always looking for a word - and he's going to use every word he knows until he finds it. =:O
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Ductility is a term for the behavior of the structure by letting it yield during a eartquake and go back when the quake is over. Look up the defination in a dictionary for the word ductility. It is not reference to AC ducts in this case. Oh well, I will do it for you.
Now Don knows it also.
CID...
Did you hear a whooshing sound when you read my post? Just curious...
R"EDS" wrote in news:P8adnSIDs7HOv0ranZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
No doubt (good image sources, whether books or URLS, are always welcome ;) ) - OTOH, I've seen it where things like pipes and ductwork are left exposed in a way that strikles me as being either affectatious, or cheap/lazy (or worse, both). It's one thing to be able to trace lines of force and so on, but I think there is more to revealing the structure, than merely leaving pipes and valves naked, especailly when they just end up collecting cobwebs and soot and so on. Wall surfaces/finishes were invented for a reason, I think. Even if I lived in a loft and wanted to see the gridwork, it seems to me that maintenence would be something of a nightmere.
That being said, your points below are good ones:
It's true that that those examples represent a balance between structure, and the concealment of structural workings. I suppose that "dichotiomy" was not the right word for me to use, and "infrastructure" (pipes, wiring, ductwork, etc) might also be more accurate than "structure" - although I've seen those things *called* (in books) part of the structure.
At the same time, tho', taking, for example, the Roman bathsyou mentioned, I find myself doubting that, had the Romans had clear heat- tolerant flooring available, they'd have used it specifically to allow patrons to view the workings of the heating system...
"EDS" wrote in news:P8adnSIDs7HOv0ranZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
I forgot to ask, what is "FOG" in this context?
"Chuck News" wrote in news:-6udnfyCW6msHEranZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
I though "ductile" meant "can be drawn out/extruded"?
"Don" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news1.newsguy.com:
Yup, I did. Bones are felxible. Wood is flexible.
Flexible = able to bend without incurring damage
Ductible = capable of being drawn out
A spring is flexible. The metal that is drawn out to create the wire used to make the spring is ductible.
Or, living near all tat wter in Miami, maybe "ducktability" ;)
Or may plasticity, since you live in America
And in real life it is all stainless steel. :-}}
Nor would I, but those items can often be incorporated within the structural structure or other systems devised to move the air. Exposing the structure in most minor buildings would just be messy. The engineer and the architect should work together (or be the same person) from the beginning of a major project to make it work. See Calatrava's and Nervi's work for structure and architecture working together. To my understanding the MEP systems are not a part of the structure.
What about a tennis bubble? ;)
R"Don" wrote in news:frc5ms02q95 @news1.newsguy.com:
Oh, that guy...Now I understand.
(I'm used to "VOG", vapor-over-ground, as in, aerosol explosives, so the first thing that popped into my mind was that FOG was either "fuel-over- ground" or "fume-over-ground", which made no sense given the context )
"Chuck News" wrote in news:O_OdnQF2uotHj0fanZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
Didn't he do that Disney building thing, that is clad in a zillion tons of Titanium or something like that...?
"Don" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news1.newsguy.com:
See, "stream", "duck"... I see a pattern emerging here...
;)
Our house in Massachusetts has floor registers; I don't think it's all that uncommon "up north", since it's harder to force heat downwards to the floor, and not as critical to force air-conditioning upwards.
OTOH, they also collect stuff that way, and air-flow can be problematic so I ended up making duct-covers so as to direct airflow better, and reduce the amount of stuff that'd get into them.
I can imagine what a PITA it could be, after watching the original ducting being installed in our place.
(OK, let's be honest, I just dislike forced-air gas heat...)
THat'd be Plasti City =:-o
"EDS" wrote in news:yr2dnUGEoKmsUEfanZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
Is that Santiago Calatrava...? I googled "Calatrava"+(arcchitect OR archtiecture) and got a numer of returns on Santiago Calatrava. I'm looking through his website now, actually (
Anway, there, yes, structure as art and art as structure.
It is entirely possible (and even probable) that what I'd had in mind was not the "Architect-Artist-Engineer" but rather the work of people who are trying to be all of that but not quite cutting it, and resorting to affectations as a result...?
Obviously, the work of Calatrava is nothing at all like those peole who seem to think that just letting ductwork and piping and wiring hang out is "exposing the structure". Calatrava isn't merely exposing pipes and beams. There is simply no comparison.
Unfortunately, a lot fo people fall for words rather than looking at/experiencing the work. IMO, if something needs 2 pages of polysyllabic (polysyBABBLic!) jargon to make sense, it isn't art, and IMO isn't good work.
Anyway, thanks again for the reference, I'm enjoying it quite a lot.
"Don" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news5.newsguy.com:
If you're asing where I heard of it: Mostly what I'd learned in work, but that was ten yrs ago, plus I actively strove to forget most of that stuff because I couldn't talk about it anyway. Open-source info is available of course.
If you're asking specifically what details I know: (1) not the place to write a paper on the means of deliveraing hot flaming death to large areas and/or large numbers of people, (2) not something I really want to bring back into my active/conscious thought processes, (3) why do you ask?
"Don" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news5.newsguy.com:
Don, you *know* I can't tell that sort of thing I am The Perfect Straightman... =:-o
(OTOH, I guess that there's somehting to be said for having a real *role* in life ;) )
Kris Krieger wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@corp.supernews.com:
P.S., yes, that *was* a change of topic...
I think he also designed the Athens Olympic Stadium. I like his work as it transcends architecture and structure. I have only done a few jobs where the structure and architecture worked together. The one I liked the best was in NH, a 25 meter x 6 lane pool with
5' deep gluelam beams, gluelam columns, exposed 1.25" diameter galvanized steel wind bracing with big exposed turnbuckles, and custom galvanized steel connections co-designed with the structural engineer. That complex also had a fieldhouse with 10' deep steel trusses (painted bright red) spanning 132'. In that complex we did attempt to integrate the HVAC into the design. Also used solar heating with oil backup. It was and is a gutsy complex, with systems highlighted in a 1979 DOE conference in Norfolk VA. EDSHomeOwnersHub website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.